you know, you have tunnels that goes to egypt, hundreds of miles, go all the way to egypt and smuggle all kinds of things. these missiles, they were smuggled in the tunnels together and other things. >> let me let chris -- >> when you have one government doing everything you want and you ignore them and one is in prison. you have to have a leader. the leader is there. >> there's two things. there's essentially a right wing challenge to hamas in gaza from islamic jihad, other sa laugh i groups. so there's a certain dreeg to which this war consolidates their power. they're firing the rockets as opposed to not enforcing a cease-fire with the israelis. >> even with hamas, the outside and the inside. >> this goes to your fundamental point, chris. there's a politics occurring that if we see it only as a question of the peoples, then we get -- we have a two flat view of what is happening in terms of the internal contestation. >> when you talk about gaza, right, the withdrawal from gaza, if i think the israeli perspective is we withdrew, we were rewarded with rocket fire. that's what you hear